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> Employers, quite rationally and of their own free will, choose to offer health insurance as a benefit because it attracts and retains talent better than other similarly priced incentives. The fact that you're hesitant to take a leave reveals that it's working.

This is false. Offering insurance as compensation started during WWII when wages were frozen by the government. Employers found other ways of attracting workers.

There is also the fact that employer-provided insurance is almost entirely untaxed. A dollar in direct employer insurance is essentially a dollar directly to healthcare spending. If it goes through to the employee, that's reduced to at most $0.70 due to payroll taxes, and often much lower. This provides and incentive for both employers and employees to prefer employer-provided insurance.

Compared to these, the effects you described are negligible.



> Offering insurance as compensation started during WWII when wages were frozen by the government.

Absolutely true, and those regulations haven't been in effect for the better part of a century now.

If you want to argue that long-discontinued government programs can entrench systems that continue to produce market distortions today then I'm happy to agree with you, but that's the exact stated rationale for the broad suite of civil rights regulations that in my experience most libertarians oppose on economic freedom grounds. I don't think you get to have it both ways.

> There is also the fact that employer-provided insurance is almost entirely untaxed.

Again, true. But I think you're drastically underestimating how beneficial it is to an insurer to cover groups of mostly healthy people (i.e. a company's entire labor force) instead of groups of mostly sick people (i.e. those most motivated to acquire private health insurance).

In order for the market for healthcare to be truly free, in the sense you're describing, medical professionals would need to be willing to consistently refuse service to people who can't pay, which is frequently in violation of their professional ethics. Since that (entirely private and voluntary) market distortion isn't going away any time soon, insurers who can find other mechanisms to incentivize relatively healthy people to contribute to the risk pool can provide the same coverage at a lower cost per person.

That means that, tax incentive or no, insuring a broad cross section of mostly healthy people as a group is always going to be cheaper than insuring them individually. And the more healthy people can be incentivized to sign up, the cheaper it becomes for all participants, which gives whoever is making decisions on behalf of the group an incentive to encourage as much of their potential pool to participate as they can. The taxes reinforce this system, but it would still be self-perpetuating without them.


> The taxes reinforce this system, but it would still be self-perpetuating without them.

Prove it. You are making the positive claim. You have the burden of proof.


"Compared to these, the effects you described are negligible" is also a positive claim, and I did at least as much work sketching out why I believe my claim as you did sketching out why you believe yours.


My claim is not positive. My claim is that employer provided insurance is unlikely without government involvement. That is a negative claim.

Your claim is the opposite. You can prove it by showing that employer provided insurance started growing before the given government involvement.

I doubt that evidence exists.


I don't dispute that the current status quo emerged as a direct result of government intervention. Again, I agree with you that it can be traced back to WWII era wage controls.

My claim is that, once established, the resulting equilibrium is economically stable. Your claim, as I understand it, is that it's not.

Given that the price controls that we agree created the current status quo were replaced by significantly less coercive tax incentives decades ago and to the best of my knowledge the industry hasn't attempted to realign away from employer-provided insurance since then, I don't see a reason to privilege your hypothesis over mine.




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