If you broke into a safe in a factory office and stole 1) 20 dollars of cash and 2) documented trade-secrets which you later made public, I'd say you were guilty of both crimes, both the insignificant one and the catastrophic one (and also the crime of breaking-in/trespassing). This is essentially the same, except the safe was a computer drive and both 1) and 2) revolve around the same object (the source code).
You are still not understanding what I'm trying to say. We are talking about intentions here. Not actions. I'm not saying he's not guilty of those crimes. I'm just saying he did not exhibit the undesirable character of intentionally hurting others for self gain. When he committed the crimes he might not have thought about how much Valve would suffer as a result. This is a very different mentality than breaking into someone's safe to take away physical objects. The result of you taking away physical objects is immediately clear - the other party will suffer a loss of those objects.
What i don't understand is that you keep saying he was not motivated by self gain, and that you cannot recognise the significance of actions beyond their physical consequences. Only sadists hurt people for self gain, most cases including this one people do things for their own satisfaction disregarding the damage it causes to the other party. The only way he could fail to be aware of the negative repercussions is if he accidentally took the source code and thought it was something else. He clearly did know what the code was, its value and why it was protected, so i don't see how what he did was any different from someone breaking into a factory and stealing secret plans (' not for self gain, just for the hell of it'), or someone breaking into a house and setting it on fire to cover their tracks, or any other crime that causes an obvious side-effect beyond the central goal.
>What i don't understand is that you keep saying he was not motivated by self gain... people do things for their own satisfaction...
That's a different kind of self gain than the one I was talking about. There is no need to point out/talk about the one you mention - every action anyone does is/can be argued for self satisfaction/gain of some sort - since everyone does it already. Yes I agree with that one. However, the gain I'm talking about is taking away a physical object away from someone else for the sake of gaining possession of it. Again, this is not what motivated the kid to break in and obtain a copy of the source code. However this type of gain is exactly what motivated the guy from Roosevelt's story. My original reply was trying to point out this difference.
>...you cannot recognise the significance of actions beyond their physical consequences.
Yes I can. Not only I can, I am also making a distinction between the actions with obvious physical consequences and the actions with less/no obvious physical consequences. It is you who insist on generalizing the two into the same thing and cannot see the (somewhat subtle) difference.
>The only way he could fail to be aware of the negative repercussions is if he accidentally took the source code and thought it was something else. He clearly did know what the code was, its value and why it was protected...
I beg to differ. That is just one extreme way. It is definitely not the only way he could have failed to be aware of the negative ramification. This is where evaluating his intentions/motivations is helpful. He loves the Valve company. He wants to play this game that he's been waiting for 4 years to ship. But the game keeps on getting delayed. He wants know the progress of the game's development. So then he decides looking at the source code is a good way to achieve this. I think it's very reasonable to argue that, "Had he known that by doing what he did would only further delay the game he wants to play and cause his heroes a lot of trouble, he would not have done it." The ramifications in this case is not as nearly as straight forward compared to breaking into a factory for the sake of gaining possession of the factory's secret plans. I really hope you can see this difference.
>so i don't see how what he did was any different from someone breaking into a factory and stealing secret plans
I think I've already done the best I can to explain to you the differences. If you still cannot see it then you are just going to have to figure this one out on your own/with someone else. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Dichotomy
That might be a good place to start. I notice coders often tend to engage in this kind of over generalization/all or nothing thinking.
Look, I'm not saying it wouldn't be worse if a rival company broke in and stole the plans to give themselves a competitive advantage, but the kid still knew it was wrong and proceeded for his own sake (not money, but bragging rights and curiousity). So his crime wasn't grossly malicious, but it was grossly irresponsible considering the damage caused.
Quite simply, he should have known better. I know what a false dichotomy is - and it's exactly what you are purveying by insisting (so far without justification) that crimes with physical effects are not comparable to those without.
