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I think the big flaw is, there will be a whole bunch of people who can't get ipv4 addresses. like kids in dorms. That may not be your demographic, fine, but djb's argument works both ways. very soon there will surely be at least one customer with ipv6 only. poof overnight every server in the universe supports ipv6.

ipv6 has been coming forever. It seems like this year, friends actually have to come up with ipv6 deliverables. that's never happened before. hell, comcast is going to be testing ipv6 this year. that's a big indicator with flashing lights and sirens.



Where are these dorms that are only IPv4 ready anyway? My university was on the ball with IPv6 years ago... If anyone can mitigrate easily, it is schools.


MIne. don't know why, but I'm not able to connect outside using ipv6. I should ask network people, but they probably don't know.


Are you sure it is not a misconfigured windows on your network? It happened all the time at my university (one windows with 6to4 starts broadcasting router advertisements).


Mine is. We have IPv6 enabled (so it works within the intranet), but it isn't actually routed to the external internet. Last I checked the network admins were waiting for an IPv6-capable firewall to be installed before enabling the routes.


As he explains you don't need an ipv4 address for every person. Just give em a shared one and use NAT. Our entire office has just one public IP address and nobody knows the difference.


So when your entire neighborhood is NAT'd and you want to use XBox Live you'll, what, call up your ISP and ask nicely to have the right ports forwarded to you?

NAT works in an office environment because most offices aren't doing anything more than web and email. Home usage scenarios are significantly broader and harder to keep working behind carrier grade NAT.


You still need to do that with XBox? Does that mean you can't run more than one XBox at home from one IP address?


Presumably (I haven't got one) the XBoxes can use UPnP to negotiate external ports with the home router, which, unlike the ISP's router, can trust the devices on its network.


It's not people that need IP addresses, it is devices. And there are potentially many more than 1 device per person.


I have 6 IP-connected devices on my desk alone. This isn’t a potentiality.


For every techno geek like us, there are many more people with 0 devices that require an IP. OP was comparing number of IPs in IPv4 with number of people on earth. Since we are only just now starting to run out of IPv4 addresses (the last big blocks were assigned recently, but there are still gaps and sparsely filled blocks), it seems safe to say that on average the number of IP enabled devices is lower than the number of people. That won't last long though.

As technology filters down to the third world, and (assuming there isn't some massive device convergence that reduces demand for IPs in the first world) the ratio of devices to people will rapidly become skewed. It's a lot easier to pump out cell-phones than babies after all :D


Totally workable solution, but i have to point back at djb's argument.

If there is even a single customer that only has access to ipv6, you have to support them 4 and 6. My office, and your office will of course stay on ipv4. I'm pretty confident least one university will soon be strapped for cash, and sell of the boatload of their ipv4 space, and just give the dorms ipv6 addresses. there will be much whining and complaining, and everyone will support ipv6 the next week.


There is 6-to-4 translation available. So we need to move clients to 6 in order that servers can move to 6.




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