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I wonder why this person thinks that we were created in perfection. Even the bible points out this is far from the truth. Just sayin'


I think you are misunderstanding. The primary purpose of this is to point out that what we would expect to happen with evolution in mind does in fact seem to happen. The data jives with the theory.

Now, the secondary purpose is to provide some amusing snark: Anything that would "design" such a thing would be anything but "intelligent".

The bible really has nothing to do with this.


No, I like the article and I'm not arguing against it. Just wondering where people get the idea that we were somehow designed to be perfect.

The bible has a lot to do with that since it's a standard upon which (at least for the most part in America) the idea of God is derived from.

Seems like a lot of people don't even know what they don't believe in so they make it up.


God is widely regarded as perfect.

Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

That certainly sounds like we should be perfect in body. Unless you want to argue that the Fall rerouted the vagus nerve.


Why wouldn't the fall change our bodies. Didn't God say if you eat of it you will surely die? There are hundreds of other passages both in the new and old testament that say we are disease ridden evil individuals.


So the "fall" rerouted the recurrent laryngeal nerve. Makes sense!

Anyway, you asked why some people might think humans are perfect, and wnoise answered why some people who read the bible might reasonably make that assumption. What exactly is your continued issue here?


None, like I said I was just curious why people thought that. Now I get it, people are willingly lazy and stupid. I guess I think too much of people, I'd expect them to get past page 1 in the bible.


Believe it or not, it is possible for people to read the same text as you, have a differing interpretation, and not be "willingly lazy and stupid".

Well, I mean they are looking for fact in a thousands year old collection of fairy tales by assorted authors, but they're not particularly any more willingly lazy or stupid...


I'd suggest that nearly everybody doesn't know what they believe in; and in fact everybody makes it up.


I would have to completely agree with you. That's why I use the bible for at least a common ground. Or a read the fucking manual moment when people just start spewing random crap. Just doesn't help their case.


Actually the details are irrelevant. The entire premise can be disregarded out of hand. That anybody bothers to address specifics such as this post, or matters of dogma/biblical interpretation is more to make it relatable than relevant.

Because it's not relevant. The entire epistemic concept of a "Creator" who is supernatural is nonsensical, and without any superior merit to any other meaningless hypothesis.


Wait, so it's not relevant to ask why people think a way they think? I mean if someone makes such an uneducated assumption it makes me question their logic in general.


I don't really care why people believe in their many gods. From one god to the next, the premise is still invalid for the same reasons. I don't take them any more seriously than I would a person suffering from a schizophrenic episode.

It's not like you seek out worshipers of Thor to find out why they believe that. Your hypocrisy in expecting people to listen to you would be comical if it weren't annoying.

Rewind a bit.

Do you know what epistemology is? If you do, then you know why the answer to the question doesn't change from one religion/holy book to the next and you're just trolling.

If you don't, you're just wasting both our time when you should be reading. MIT OCW isn't a bad place to start. Nietzsche's various works (Beyond Good & Evil, Twilight of the Idols, Antichrist, etc) are also good.


Well being ignorant on purpose is not the trait of a good scientist or engineer. I am not asking why this person doesn't believe in God, but rather why they believe what they believe (that we're supposed to 'perfect'.) This has little or nothing to do with religion. It is an inquiry into human behavior.

Also, do you know what the bible says about the Greeks and their knowledge? Because if you don't then you're just wasting our time. ;-)

You are making a very uneducated presumption by clumping these gods together. How very unscientific.

How am i expecting people to listen to me? WTF? Because I posted one post on this thread? I'm not the person writing a blog and claiming that I know there is no God.

I know first hand just how useless college education is, along with those books. Which to be honest, I've only skimmed through a few.

I honestly can't get past the self-righteous bullshit that those people assume. I just can't stand when they make simple mistakes regarding the texts they're arguing against. I hate it how they assume their conclusions are better than the conclusions of thousands of years of accumulated texts. I hate it how it's being taught to even dumber people who can't get past the bullshit. And I hate it because I'm forced to read them to find out the dumb shit people believe in.

If I learned anything in school is this: humans are stupid.

There has been few if any scientific truths achieved by a man that have stood the test of time. I would never rely on their conclusions for anything. (Much less any conclusions from a silly philosopher.)

(Sorry for the rant, I've just recently been forced to read stuff from Joseph Campbell and I'm still annoyed by it. Even though he makes an occasional good point or gives me an idea, he's still an idiot.)


It's not science, it's epistemology. Gods are not relevant to science by definition, as they cannot be tested.

>I know first hand just how useless college education is, along with those books. Which to be honest, I've only skimmed through a few.

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You don't know what science is, and you don't value knowledge.

>There has been few if any scientific truths achieved by a man that have stood the test of time.

You definitely don't understand science. It's about process, methodology, testability, and continually expanding, refining, and testing our understanding of the universe.

A superior method to "making shit up".


What's that Bible thing you speak of? Does it contain any more gems of wisdom, possibly about dinosaurs? Or its' recurrent laryngeal nerve? I'm in great anticipation of your reply.


In fact the bible does mention dinosaurs, but you know you'd have to read it to find out.


The bible mentions dragons.

It also mentioned unicorns...


Unicorns? I must have missed that. I do remember seeing ox and leviathan though.


You should work on your reading comprehension.




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