It doesn't, really. Hibernation and even the levels of "sleep" mode have and still have issues in Windows. I have a brand new Dell Precision workstation that still can't properly come back from sleep mode every time.
You've never had games that would only start and run without crashing from a clean boot?
That's part of where the whole "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?" piece of wisdom comes in. You never know what might have flipped out from under agter a hibernate. When you turn it Off off. You know.
Unless...you dual boot linux. I have an Envy 47 something whose wireless still can't get it right. So I just ran an ethernet cable to it. Traced it down to being because Ubuntu wouldn't clean out the hardware registers between hot reboots. It would be fine after a cold shutdown, but once the card got stuck in a bad state, not even a switch to windows could save you. I'd have to pull the plug to get all the registers clear, and start anew.
And that was how I learned it's never the hardware until it is.
But for example, I threw Kubuntu (21.04 beta) on my Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme 3 days ago. I'm already running Ubuntu 20.04 on a different partition and it runs fine.
Kubuntu + Wayland, omg, clean install, firefox wont run properly at all, if you change to any other theme the menu bars disappear. Running X11, mad screen tearing and makes the fans spin up like crazy. Wont detect BT so can't use headphones. It's a headache :(
I dual booted Win10 and Ubuntu on my laptop and I could only use the dedicated graphic card in Ubuntu if I turned Windows off with the power unplugged. Maybe that was a symptom of similar properties?
Windows 10 doesn't completely turn off by default anymore. It closes all the applications and then hibernates the Windows system stuff so doesn't need to re-initialize everything on boot. There's a way to fully shut down but you'd have to look into that.
Heh, as I've posted above, I've had the reverse. All kinds of weird broken behavior on Windows, everything works perfectly on Linux.
And those are mostly highly-integrated, full-intel computers.
I have a small HP with a thunderbolt / usb-c port. Thunderbolt kinda sorta works. Sometimes. But even if the display goes to sleep, it's game over.
I also have a usb-c monitor. I've only ever seen it work one (1) time in windows. On linux it mostly works. Sometimes it doesn't detect the correct refresh rate for some reason. But in the BIOS it always works. I could actually even install Windows with it. And it sometimes gets to the login page. But once the session launches, it turns off.
Have a Dell XPS for work. Sleep used to work fine, and the machine would barely touch its battery if I put it to sleep over a weekend.
It doesn't work any more: the machine never sleeps properly and drains its battery very quickly, barely making it from Friday night to Monday morning (and not making it at all if I don't plug the power in before I plug anything else in).
Note that this isn't a fault with the battery that I can see: battery life is still fine when the machine is being used. I can only assume that at some point over the past couple of years an OS or firmware/driver update broke sleep... which is annoying.
(It's one of many reasons I prefer OSX to Windows: sleep always works.)
> Microsoft introduced Modern Standby in 2012 to improve battery life and the transition between power states, allowing Windows PCs to transition between on/off states faster, like your smartphone does.
It's a knowledgebase article using a standard Support/Resolution template (that might not be changeable). The irony is thoroughly amusing and IMO appropriate.
Thanks. This, and the GP, are helpful. Does naturally lead to the question of why in hell they'd implement this when, from my perspective as a user, it's much MUCH worse than S3 sleep.
Sure, mine's done it occasionally (rarely enough to be a surprise when it does happen), but do they do it every single time you put them to sleep? I doubt it. My Dell does this every single time it goes to sleep. It's really aggravating.
If you use an SD card, Apple issued an update to have it cook itself every single time, and never enter hibernate, to sell more 2-3x markup native storage space. If you try to fix it, the next update will break it again.
TLDR: "enables the system to stay connected to the network while in a low power mode" [...] "with the added benefit of allowing value-added software activities to run periodically" [...] "When a system service or background task requires network access, Windows automatically transitions the networking device to an active mode" [...] "longer active intervals occur for a variety of reasons, for example, processing incoming email or downloading critical Windows updates."
> Don't you have a way to disable it and go back to what Microsoft calls Traditional Sleep?
Yes, on some laptops, such as Lenovo, you can switch from "Windows" to "Linux" sleep mode in BIOS (yes, they are really named after the OS).
Here's the rub: you have to reinstall Windows. There used to be registry edit you could do but that seems to no longer work. At least it didn't for me.
The new Dell laptops only support "modern sleep". Linux doesn't support this very well, so while things look to go to sleep (eg, screens turn off) the system is still on, just idling. Since Linux doesn't have all the hardware support that Dell's drivers for Windows might, not all hardware devices are put into a low power mode.
So often what happens is nothing: the battery often drains completely overnight and it's guaranteed to be dead on Monday morning if I let it "sleep" on Friday.
Sleep doesn't always work on Macs. For instance, when the kernel panics because you shut the lid and stuffed it in your bag before you detached your USB-C mouse and keyboard, so it's overheated or dead by the end of your commute.
We've also had pretty awful state issues with Filevaulted Intel Macs from 2014 to present. While more consistent in their quirks than the myriad models and configurations of PCs, Macs haven't really done much to impress anyone but shareholders this past half decade or so.
Highly specific to Dell XPS laptops, but I used to have a similar issue to this. Eventually realised that the display wasn't actually turning off sometimes when I closed the lid. After much mucking around, it eventually turned out that in some of these laptops the magnet in the lid that triggers the "lid closed" action can become physically unstuck, and move around in the display housing (on my XPS 9350 this is in the bottom right corner of the display). Using an external magnet to jiggle it around both allowed testing to trigger the sensor and confirm the issue, and also to move it back to its proper location. Seems to work properly again now.
Windows machines have the habit of waking from sleep after 3 hours, to do whatever and then fail to go back to sleep when they are done. I only use hibernate for that reason, on an Ssd resume is fast enough.
I got rid of my MacBook about a year ago but when I had it sleep never always worked for me. My current current ThinkPad is just as reliable when sleeping as my MacBook was.
Some XPS models from recent years have known sleep problems. There is essentially no fix. The best you can do is switch to "network disconnected modern standby." Search for my other post in this thread.
I bought a new Dell XPS13 two weeks ago and discovered the hard way - after totally flat batteries - that sleep mode doesn't work. Whereas my other XPS13, the previous year's model, works perfectly.
What is totally annoying is my monitor, which has USB C power delivery, won't charge the laptop if its battery is completely flat. So now I have to carry the XPS's power adapter too.
I have been an XPS fan for years. But I am so close to sending this one back.
(If anyone from Dell reads this, pass back the message that you've lots of really unhappy customers from this)
* They asked me to install the latest firmware for the XPS13 9310, dated 8 April 2021.
* That solved the problem: now I can close the lid and the laptop properly sleeps; I can put it in my bag without it getting noticeably warm; battery loses just a couple of % overnight, not 75% as it did before.
So irrespective of whether this 11th gen does S3 sleep or not, my laptop is now performing in line with what I expected.
I believe that on (some?) Intel 11th gen chips, S3 sleep states are disabled, and only S1 works?
S3 = traditional "suspend to ram"
S1 = new fangled "kind of sleep, instant on mode"
At least, thats what I found on a System76 Lemur Pro, which has the same cpu as the XPS13 (and System76 had to restore the IME, whereas before they used to disable it, just to get some semblence of sleep working)
Solution: get an AMD 4800 - powered laptop instead. Same price, double the cores (8 vs 4), much (much) faster and yet runs cooler.
Sorry to hear it's happening in the latest generation product too. This is really disgraceful by Dell as the issue has been known about for years and they don't seem to care. Same with the crappy thermal pasting job that their factory does.
Do not expect the issue to be fixed. People bought XPS's years ago thinking Dell would release a patch in some reasonable amount of time, but it never came.
If your use case involves a lot of time away from a charger, I would send it back. Maybe splurge a bit more for a Surface Book, assuming Microsoft cares a little more about putting out a well finished product.
I have issues on all the Macs I own too, it honestly seemed to work perfectly but about 3 years ago maybe they all became unreliable after some OS update, I want to say maybe High Sierra.
Both my 2015 and 2018 MBPs probably once every 2 days, sometimes multiple times in a single day will resume from sleep to a hard reboot and a kernel panic message or "Your computer restarted because of a problem" message.
My windows desktop workstation manages just fine, but maybe I won the hardware combination lottery.
I have a gaming PC with Windows and Linux. "Sleep" on Windows fails every second time for me (the screen is off but the machine continues to run), whereas on Linux it fails every ~10th time. No idea what the issue is but I have fairly standard hardware.
On the other hand, I can't remember the last time sleep didn't work on any of my Macs.
How long are you giving it for sleep to actually turn off? "Hybrid sleep", which is on by default now, can look like this - the monitor and peripherals will turn off first and then it can take another minute or so while the machine writes out its RAM for the hibernate portion.
I had an odd issue with Windows sleeping on one of my machines a while back.
Once the machine went back sleep, I could not get the video signal back. All the other hardware would wake up fine, but I’d have to fully reboot to get video back.
