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> No highways in the city (loud, dangerous, take up lots of space)

The Grandview Highway cuts through half of Vancouver.



If you're speaking about the part on the map that is labeled "Grandview highway", it's just a name - it is a regular street interrupted with traffic lights, bordering "The Grandview Cut" which has both train tracks and metro ("Skytrain") tracks: https://goo.gl/maps/B9dTbxg4LhedP9C7A

If you're thinking of the Georgia Viaduct (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Viaduct), it is slated for removal and is only about <1km


It doesnt cut through what most people would consider the “city” part of Vancouver which is the denser part of downtown. It’s also not really like a highway that most people refer to. It’s nothing like the 400 series in Toronto, or the I5 in Seattle.


It's interrupted in its path by the viaducts, but the highway begins again to cut through Stanley Park and cross to the North Shore.

Vancouver's not a particularly well-designed city; its lack of a fully through highway is more a circumstance of indecision than design. It's still a city hampered by office districts and bedroom communities, linked with stroads, like many North American cities.

Glad I left.


what cities do you consider well designed and why?


Montreal is nice. Most people, even as far out as Outremont, have a grocery store within walking distance. Metro map could be improved but is decent for the core. Transit runs decently during peak times. Main issue is lack of bike lanes, but there's always a shortage of bixis so apparently people do cycle. Easy access to parks, I've got two within walking distance. Unfortunately the metro does stop at around 1a, so going on a downtown bar until closing means you're taking a night bus back.


I agree. Montreal is better than Vancouver. They have a really good mix of height limited multi family zoning and commercial streets.


Tokyo does well. Ubiquitous public transit does wonders. Singapore is supposed to be pretty good as well, but I’ve never left Changi to tell.


There aren't any, really; because we didn't spend the 20th Century thinking of alternatives to commuting via personal automobile from bedrooms to offices.


A true well designed city have not been tried yet.


Do you actually design a city, waterfall style? Wouldn't you just end up with Canberra, the most boring city ever, or Disney World?


Yes, just like with communism, to which I alluded in my comment, with urban design we also have a problem of figuring out what people want, where, and how much of it. The “urban design” people often have the similar mindset to communist planners, who knew better what people should want than the people themselves.


> "It’s nothing like the 400 series in Toronto"

The 400 series highways don't go anywhere near Toronto's downtown either. The 401 skirts around Toronto's suburbs, far to the north of what anyone would consider the city.

The urban Toronto road you're probably thinking of is the Gardiner Expressway, which is owned and managed by the city itself, not the provincial government.

For decades, there have been calls to remove the elevated downtown section which cuts Toronto off from its waterfront. Something that would not only remove a source of blight and open up the development potential of some significant tracts of prime land, it would also save the city a fortune in maintenance costs!


It's also slated for removal (at least the upper viaduct), a very large park is meant to be built in its place (the architects that designed the High Line park in NYC were going to be designing the project, at least as of 3 years ago).


Yup, and coincidentally there's basically no plan whatsoever to either move offices out of downtown or significantly improve transit options into downtown.


Isn’t that because there is a 400-year tsunami of 60m high, and they’re trying to de-densify?


That feels like such a waste compared to not making the super crowded b-line a train line sooner vs later.


They're literally digging up Broadway constructing the Broadway line skytrain right now.


And it's not going all the way to UBC, which is the reason why the B-line is so crowded. You stop 1/3rd of the way there and then transfer to the B-line again.


They’re thinking about doing it. Hopefully the YIMBYs win.


It's inevitable. It's really only a matter of time.

There's only so much money that (is politically viable) to spend on this stuff at any given moment. As soon as the line to Langley is done we're gonna see a pivot to building out to UBC or North Shore.




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