How did FOSS come into this? You're all over the map here.
To remind you, this was a conversation about products that allow kids to learn through tinkering vs those that are completely locked down.
I don't particularily care to debate you on random semi-related topics especially when you aren't really debating with shit like this:
> When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.
Ok, since my little rhetorical device gave you a smart ass way to evade the question let me put it another way:
You say "A closed system is more tightly controlled. The user cannot fuck every aspect of it, and so he wont. You cannot assume the average users knows what he is doing or what he is installing on his device. Historically he has been shown unable to do so."
Why does this problem not appear in any other industry? Normal people seem to do just fine with their cars, clothes, power tools, etc. All things that it is possible to tinker with and break doing so. People who take the risk and have some expertise do and those that don't just enjoy the purchase and leave that stuff to the experts. Historically they have been show to be able to do so.
I think we agree that forcing users to tweak all sorts of configurations either during setup or during normal use isn't the right way to design software. That's not related to whether it's possible to modify things if you want to.
Do you honestly not understand that this is a narrower subject than the Apple way (closed, novice centric simple UI, proprietary) vs. the Linux Way (open, expert centric UI, free)?
My points where only ever about open vs. closed, as was the article we commenting on.
To remind you, this was a conversation about products that allow kids to learn through tinkering vs those that are completely locked down.
I don't particularily care to debate you on random semi-related topics especially when you aren't really debating with shit like this:
> When you assume, you make an ass out of you and me.
Ok, since my little rhetorical device gave you a smart ass way to evade the question let me put it another way:
You say "A closed system is more tightly controlled. The user cannot fuck every aspect of it, and so he wont. You cannot assume the average users knows what he is doing or what he is installing on his device. Historically he has been shown unable to do so."
Why does this problem not appear in any other industry? Normal people seem to do just fine with their cars, clothes, power tools, etc. All things that it is possible to tinker with and break doing so. People who take the risk and have some expertise do and those that don't just enjoy the purchase and leave that stuff to the experts. Historically they have been show to be able to do so.
I think we agree that forcing users to tweak all sorts of configurations either during setup or during normal use isn't the right way to design software. That's not related to whether it's possible to modify things if you want to.
Do you honestly not understand that this is a narrower subject than the Apple way (closed, novice centric simple UI, proprietary) vs. the Linux Way (open, expert centric UI, free)?
My points where only ever about open vs. closed, as was the article we commenting on.