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From Musk’s POV, a bunch of solid, well-rounded, and experienced engineers you trust might be enough to tell you “this guy is full of shit” when talking to new people.

Maybe it’s less about code quality and more about eng quality.



I think that's all besides the point. Does anyone think any of Twitter's problems are related to code quality? Literally go read the unit test suite and you'll what it does and if it works. If he just wants to cut heads, cut them from verticals you want to exit (whatever they might be). What the hell could he possibly achieve with this stunt? It feels more like the old cliche about your first day at prison where you should pick the toughest guy and beat him up to establish dominance.


I guarantee Elon is surrounded by yes-men.


That's not how you build a spaceship.


Eessh, I hope not.


I guarantee you he isn’t.


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I suspect that anyone who says No to Elon or outwardly disagrees with him doesn’t last long in leadership at his companies.


Then maybe he’s always right. As chief engineer at Space X for example, if he was an idiot or surrounded by idiots do you really think he would be succeeding?


> As chief engineer at Space X

If that line itself isn't enough to tell you he's full of shit you have hopelessly fallen for the myth of his Tony Stark-like brilliance. Do you honestly think he contributes any meaningful engineering work at SpaceX? If he didn't own SpaceX, what about his history suggests he could even be an engineering intern there?


SpaceX is successfully solving engineering problems. If Elon is surrounded by yes men, that means he's always right. That he probably isn't always right implies he doesn't surround himself solely with sycophants.


> SpaceX is successfully solving engineering problems. If Elon is surrounded by yes men, that means he's always right.

Alternatively, it means the organization is resilient enough to handle it.

The US government has successfully accomplished all sorts of things while having various shitty people at the helm.


It's possible to be a sycophant who manages the politics of appeasing a narcissist while also solving problems on your own and letting said narcissist take the credit.


If you’re the kind of narcissist who can attract that kind of sycophant you’ll have no problem getting investors. And no problem getting employees either.


I'm glad somebody got my point, lol.


>If that line itself isn't enough to tell you he's full of shit you have hopelessly fallen for the myth of his Tony Stark-like brilliance. Do you honestly think he contributes any meaningful engineering work at SpaceX? If he didn't own SpaceX, what about his history suggests he could even be an engineering intern there?

Every day there are a lot of software developers on this very website (in this very thread) and elsewhere, with no professional engineering background, nor uphold similar standards and professionalism, who refer to themself as engineer.


"Computer engineer" and "mechanical engineer" have very different meanings when it comes to liability, certifications, etc.


Mike Griffin was the real chief engineer at SpaceX...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin#Career


They guy didn't even work at SpaceX.

Please explain how it's possible to be chief engineer at SpaceX without even working there.


Read his career history and do a little digging. Mike was the government side of Elon's circus.


Yes? Many, many people who don’t work for musk or have a financial interest in him being competent have said in interviews that he has a deep engineering understanding of the rockets and especially their engines.


Most people have shit understanding of rockets. There's plenty of otherwise very intelligent people that do not have any grasp of rocketry. A competent amateur rocket enthusiast can easily sound like a "rocket scientist" to someone otherwise uninvolved with rocketry.

Additionally, anyone being interviewed about Musk can't be said not to have a financial interest in him. Musk doesn't hang out with nerdy rocket scientists in his spare time. He rubs elbows with fellow rich people.

It doesn't take much actual knowledge of rocketry to sound super knowledgeable about rocketry to someone with no knowledge of rocketry. Musk isn't a nincompoop but I've yet to hear anything out of his mouth about rocketry that suggests he could intern at his own company, let alone be seriously considered their chief engineer.


The is such a common thing people say, that there are lists of reasons why you are wrong: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...


Watch elons multiple hour long interviews with The Everyday Astronaut about rocket design and tell me with a straight face that he has little knowledge about rockets.

Or don't because it will destroy your narrative and you would rather live in your own bubble of delusion.


May want to read this if you're interested in having your opinion changed by actual testimonials rather than just going with the tribal Spaceman bad line. https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...


The downvote answers that lol


lol that’s what Gwynne Shotwell is for


who is a yes-man according the the post we're all replying to. lol


Indeed, Elon knows how to hire good people, the kind who can assess others in their area of expertise.




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