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What killed the Vision Pro is the complete lack of support for the two main things people use VR for. Productivity is a distant third behind the likes of VR Chat and pornography. If Apple managed to capture only 1% of VR Chat's monthly userbase, they would've tripled their pathetic sales numbers.

Apple tried to focus on productivity and some light entertainment and didn't even throw the other two a bone by supporting a PC link feature. Particularly they didn't make a physical link possible - Wifi is not reliable/high bandwidth enough for most people, so those third party solutions aren't cutting it.

Apple users are mostly locked out of the existing PC VR ecosystem - Apple didn't have to rely on developers writing dedicated apps.



I bought the AVP for one thing only - long haul flights. It makes the experience completely and utterly different, and it's less than the cost of a business seat.

It "works for me".


what kind of flights are you buying that cost 3500 for a business seat? do you get them very last minute?


From the perspective of a UK flyer, $3500 for a return ticket over the Atlantic in business class looks fairly cheap. Last time i checked (with one-month advance), I was quoted 4500+ GBP.

Regardless, you don't throw away your headset after a flight, obviously, so even if the ticket were half the price you'd still come out ahead after two or three trips.

This said, headsets like AVP improve the flying experience but don't magically solve it: they are still too heavy and uncomfortable to wear for more than 1-2 hours. That's why I'm betting on the more lightweight (and cheaper) sunglass-like products to actually win that market.


Yeah, it's UK<->USA for me, and unless I'm using airmiles, $3K5 is pretty cheap for one of those flights.

The headset is heavy, but I find that's much ameliorated by lying backwards a bit (which is easy to do in a business-class lie-flat seat).


Pretty standard for a ~10-12 hour flight.

It's not like there's much reason to care about comforts on short flights. Anyone can tolerate economy for an hour and you'd probably not get out your VR headset for a short hop either.


Trust me, porn on the Vision Pro is plentiful and industry-leading.

VRChat, I agree, should absolutely be there and unrestricted. It wont be though. It isn't uncensored on Oculus either.


> Trust me, porn on the Vision Pro is plentiful and industry-leading.

VR pornography is quite massive in Japan for instance. Huge in fact. The Vision Pro doesn't even have a DMM.com/Fanza app for that.

I don't think most users would even consider getting a device that doesn't allow them to view their existing catalog of purchases, pornography and not.

Again, this could've been solved by simply supporting PCVR.

> VRChat, I agree, should absolutely be there and unrestricted. It wont be though. It isn't uncensored on Oculus either.

I don't think the VR Chat app on Oculus is very popular. Most users are just going to run it via PCVR for better performance, feature support, etc.


> VRChat, I agree, should absolutely be there and unrestricted. It wont be though. It isn't uncensored on Oculus either.

Can you elaborate?


The quest has some limitations on what avatars it will display, but it's more for performance reasons.

It just so happens that most of the more racy avatars also are more detailed/power hungry and run afoul of those limits.




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