The thing with open source, and many industry standards like ISO and ECMA, is that who shows up gets to call the shots.

So when it isn't going into the right direction that we care, maybe more people with other mindset should join.

It is like complaining about who wins elections without bothering to cast a valid vote.

Well, it's not always true.

Look at how the proposal for making netplan the default network manager in Debian went. Not good, from Canonical's perspective.

Making /tmp behave the way systemd guys want also went not according to plan. The behavior is modified somewhat because of the discussion.

Rust's influence doesn't come from Canonical per se, but from its promise to eradicate memory related bugs. The initial hype was off the charts, but it's coming down, and the shortcomings are becoming obvious.

Canonical is trying to affect Debian, that's true, but it's not always a given.

The fact that Canonical has always been happy to ship software that they know fully well shouldn't be shipped doesn't fill me with hope that it will even work decently without causing massive issues to everyone (remember when they started to use pulseaudio? In the end it was such a mess that the solution was to abandon it).

It was rough for a while, but my debian machine still runs pulseaudio and it works pretty well. I agree that ubuntu doesn't do enough testing before releasing stuff, but I am grateful that so many people are willing to grind themselves against the bugs before they hit more conservative distributions

It's deprecated. I think most people moved on to pipewire.

Debian migrated everyone to Pipewire a while ago without people noticing it, as they intended.

Pipewire is working great.