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But wait... cattle and kine are the same thing, much like cease and desist. Kith and kin aren't the same. Do you also think it's strange to say "friends and family"?


'kin' comes from 'ken', so 'kinfolk' are folks that think like you. What does 'kith' mean?


So, nothing you said is correct. Ken [know] < OE cennan "make known; declare". Kin [family] < OE cynn "family" (among other meanings, but that one seems apt).

http://etymonline.com/index.php?term=kin

Kith [] < OE cyðð also meaning family, but alternatively neighbors, countrymen, or acquaintances. Obsolete and only extant today in the fixed phrase "kith and kin", but originally meaning [countrymen] and later [friends]. Your kith and kin are all your relationships, blood or otherwise. Your kin are the blood and marriage relationships.


Man, I kinda want to bring back "kith".


Thanks for being so kind. One thing I said isn't correct. That definition of 'kinfolk' came from a writer, Forrest Carter, so I blame them.


There are two noticeable mistakes is your prior comment. One is a simple mistake of fact; kin is not related to ken. The other is the etymological fallacy, which says that the meaning of a word is or should be controlled by what it meant in the past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy


Cute. If a word is out of usage almost completely, I don't see how that fallacy can be brought into play.


The definition of 'kinfolk' was probably pretty minor among the list of fabrications by Forrest Carter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asa_Earl_Carter


>> 'kin' comes from 'ken', so 'kinfolk' are folks that think like you Is that right? I cannot find such a reference. Could you please give a source for the etymology.


I got that from an author, who apparently took liberties with the definition (see below).


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/kith

cȳththu is like tuatha, I always thought.


cattle and kine is another doublet. two different words used by two different groups. kith and kin, is like saying neighbours/extending group and family. but your right its not a doubling, but more a broading.




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