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There's a saying, it goes like this: "its expensive being poor", and its really the truth. If you don't have enough money to buy in bulk, you end up paying way more for the smaller amount of product. If you can't afford to spend time on something because you have a limited number of calories before you become unproductive, and therefore have to work on aquiring more calories, then you're stuck in a feedback loop of no progress. And so it goes.

This is why the truly rich (not necessarily wealthy) find pleasure in lifes' simple, cheap, offerings. It's almost impossible to find vegetables as good as the ones we grow in our home garden, but yet it takes on average 30 minutes of work every day to keep things in order .. finding that balance is what is key to moving from being poor to rich, in my opinion. The time not spent getting in the car to go grocery shopping is instead spent maintaining a well-ordered garden plot ..



There's a great quote from a Terry Pratchett Discworld novel:

"The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness."


I generally have the suspicion that "boots" and the like offer only micro-optimizations. Buying a $100-150 bag advertised for durability versus a $30-40 generic brand backpack. Or buying a MacBook Pro versus a midrange laptop with Windows.

While there may be optimizations to be found in these situations, I also wonder about the cognitive cost per optimization, and I wonder if it might not be better to put the most of your mind on a job or geography transition.


That quote always bothers me, because most long-term savings like that aren't nearly so clear in numerical terms.


You agree with the conclusion but are upset that an example which has been simplified to make a point isn't as nebulous as real life?


You're right -- if that were the issue, it would be a bad objection; let me try again.

The problem is that in real life, most such cases (of buying the more expensive item) don't result in a pure savings, but rather, leave you better off in some ways and worse off in others. The cheaper shoes, IOW, will not actually be so bad that you have to replace them entirely, and you will in fact end up with with more liquid savings. The temporary discomfort and greater savings are much harder to compare to the alternative than the example suggests, so wealthier people do not always have some obvious choice that leaves them better off in every way.

So, on top of that, it's not an issue that is fixable simply by pointing this out to the poorer person and loaning them the money.


A classic one in the US would be the choice of visiting the doctors. The rich can afford to have regular checkups(or insurance) and get a sniffle checked out early. The poor can not afford to visit the doctor over minor ailments and because of this end up spending big in lost time at work and more expensive one off treatments for a serious illness they didn't nip in the bud.

But I'd have to concede that you'd be right to say it still doesn't fit the boots analogy with out some rather lax semantics around up front vs long term cost. You could also argue that any individual might get lucky/unlucky and so it's not clear cut there, but I think it would be fair to argue that in aggregate the outcome on cost is a reasonable example.


My most recent purchase is a 900$ Bosch dishwasher that is saving me so much time (and time is money) and saving money indirectly because I am cooking more often at home as I don't find washing dishes to be taxing any more. Home cooked, all natural food is healthy in the long run. The sink is empty and it makes me feel less cluttered and more efficient. So it is a chain reaction and the effects are compounded. One thing leads to another. There is a 10000$ difference between a 500$ dishwasher and a 900$ dishwasher.


I have seen plenty of cases that are really that clear cut, usually centered around item quality. For example, cheap tools vs. expensive ones. The "X Factor" that makes the more expensive item not strictly better is the question of use. I.E., I don't buy Snapon wrenches because I am not a professional mechanic, but neither do I buy cheapo pot-metal tools because I use them enough that the extra money spent on quality is well worth it.


Not really true. Buying in bulk is a minor savings that offsets the cost if a big car or big house or whatever. The core issue is that life has transaction costs on that the wealthier folks don't need to worry about, but a poor person faces catastrophic collapse by going over budget with no way to borrow against the future.


Could you give a few examples of these transaction costs?


A simple example is the concept of living paycheck to paycheck... If you work on contract or hourly and payment is delayed (either because there weren't enough hours to work or your client is slow to pay), one of two things happens:

1) You are wealthy enough to have credit and perhaps a bit of cash savings, and you can pay your bills with that savings/credit card. When your paycheck comes, you pay down the short-term credit and you are as good as if it never happens.

2) You have no credit and no savings. You must directly choose between which bills you can and cannot pay. Some bills go into default or incur late fees. Other bills may cancel service because you cannot be relied upon to pay. In this scenario, when the paycheck comes, you pay your late bills, but you are left with the extra fees, lost services, and are at a net-loss going into the next period.

Compound scenario 2 for a few periods, and you start to incur heavily negative consequences that are very difficult to overcome.


I'm not judk, but a few obvious examples:

- Medical bills

- Rent hikes

- Being between jobs

- Repairing things that break (e.g. "My car needs $300 in maintenance" is a big deal when you were just barely going to break even on the month and have no savings)

- Random expenses for kids' school

None of these things are necessarily all that pricy, but when your minimal cost of living is equal to or only slightly less than you make, you have a problem. The worst part is that it accumulates. As these non-negotiable costs arise, you end up making compromises (e.g. taking out credit you're not sure you can repay soon), and those compromises make it harder to handle unexpected costs in the future (e.g. because you're still paying off interest on the last one).

The thing about being rich or poor isn't about how much money you have, per se. It's about how much money you have that you don't really need right now. Quality of life is pretty crap up to a certain point, then it rises quickly once you get past the point of treading water, then it tapers off somewhat later because at that point it's all basically "I do not have to worry about basic needs."


I watched a guy who had just gotten out of prison trying to make it back into society. A lot of things cost more for him. One example: Car insurance. He didn't have the money to pay 6 months of insurance in one chunk, so he had to buy it one month at a time. Well, the insurance companies charge extra for that.

He couldn't afford a decent car, so he got a car that was cheap, and which (no surprise) broke down a lot. When it broke down, he had to pay to have it fixed, plus to take the bus to get to work.

And so on.


I agree that shopping can be a trap. If you don't have money to do a big, occasional shop for food/etc, you'll likely make a series of smaller trips to a supermarket, buying few things but still losing time, fuel and maintenance on each drive of your car, for example. Lose time and you're under more pressure elsewhere in life.




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