From what I have seen the tooling is definitely great. I am not the worlds biggest fan of Ruby on Rails, but one aspect I have always liked is the scaffolding. Being able to generate the skeleton of an application from the command line without needing to glue anything together or read documentation on multiple plugins.

Don't get me wrong, I love working with React.js, but it isn't a framework and aspects like dealing with data, API's and other more functional aspects can take a lot of time to get working with React's way of thinking. React also requires a certain degree of glue-fu to get it to the same place something like Angular, Ember or Meteor seems to be. I think Meteor could be a nice down-the-line framework. For my next project, I'll give it a shot. I have a friend who has been building something with it and he seems to absolutely love it.

Having said that, if you want to use React and Meteor after reading through the documentation it seems they make it easy to integrate with other libraries and even frameworks. I even saw they mentioned you can use Meteor with AngularJS (which is crazy), but cool nonetheless.

Here's how to integrate React with Meteor: https://github.com/reactjs/react-meteor

A talk demoing it: https://youtu.be/puoD7b4Ow7k

Here's how to integrate AngularJS with Meteor: https://github.com/Urigo/angular-meteor

A talk demoing it: https://youtu.be/s6IgKYsZAyI

There are some guys that created a Meteor code generator: http://www.meteorkitchen.com and yes there's the NPM iron-cli.

Meteor Kitchen is awesome! After creating many Meteor apps from scratch I have made a template that I commonly use but Meteor Kitchen is even better.

"Meteor Kitchen" is now available for Windows too.

I agree. Scaffolding and generators to glue things together in code are sorely missing in Meteor. Scaffolding is useful to beginners and experts alike.

With everything in a predictable location and following the same patterns, code is more intuitive to reason out.

Ask and you shall receive. https://github.com/iron-meteor/iron-cli

There are actually a handful of good scaffolding options for Meteor. But once you understand Meteor's special treatment of some folders & files, and the basic CRUD stuff then you will be hooked and scaffolding will not be a big thing :)

I have a hard time understanding how meteor is comparable to angular or ember given that it appears to be full stack in every way, whereas angular or ember I can add to my existing stack.

Meteor has always seemed interesting but the fact that it is hosted makes it a non starter. There's too many scaling questions that a marketing site will never put me at ease, I'll need to see some solid case studies and ideally a company sponsor of some sort dogfooding it.

Maybe for an MVP? And even then, I have a hard time justifying it over mocking my data and using something like angular to speed up front end. Maybe I'd use it in very narrow use cases.

How's this for marketing? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18083835/how-many-concurr...

Meteor is exclusively not hosted by Meteor (company), you are wrong. You -can- use their free hosting because it's useful to just get an MVP online as quickly as possible.

You can host a Meteor app wherever you can host NodeJS.

Is it me or are a lot of the objections seem they come from peeps that have not tried it for more than a day? More assumed opinions and quick conclusions rather than educated and informed. I am stunned at the confidence of these opinions too. Puts the posters in a bad light. The major takeaway... it shows Meteor needs to do a better job educating the developer community.... and .... haters gonna hate ;)

I never claimed to be confident about my objections, I simply stated that the public portion of the site doesn't address the questions/concerns I have.

You can choose to use Meteor's hosting or you can do it yourself. There is a great open source Product Hunt/Hacker News clone application built on Meteor called Telescope - http://www.telesc.pe/ - I am self hosting it for a site that I run about Javascript, I haven't needed to do anything except styling tweaks, but it is running on a simple DigitalOcean VPS quite fine.

What kind of traffic volume does it get?

> the fact that it is hosted makes it a non starter.

What do you mean?