False, the idea that pure net deaths is the only way to think about all that happened is the common thread that people have been clinging to for far too long. It is time to wake up, and remember principles of bioethics, the risk of authoritarian coercive forces, and the nature of dehumanization campaigns. You do not mandate rapidly formulated, under-tested, frontier technology emergency drugs for all humans to work and live especially once there is evidence they may have a consistent mechanism of action that can cause sudden death, and especially once you learn the risk from the disease is highly dependent upon demographics and other comorbitities in a way risk from this side effect isn’t.

Sorry to annoy you with the basics of public health policy.

And the cost-benefit analysis being different for different age classes and comorbidity is exactly the reason why the vaccines was slowly expanded to larger demographics after starting with the most vulnerable people.

In fact, the side effects of the vaccine have been much more thoroughly tracked than many pollutants that are routinely introduced in everybody's life and which somehow never trigger such a reaction from you others who care so much about all this when it comes to vaccines. The amount of hazardous material that are being put in everything from food to cosmetics or kids' toys is appalling, but all you guys have to complain about is vaccines… You claim to care about under-tested frontier technology, but somehow aren't bothered with sunscreen or bisphenol S, why is that?

I'm not part of any "guys", I'm not part of a tribe that you are imagining. I'm just someone who is vaccinated and thinks the mandates violate all traditional bioethical norms given what we have known for a while: the drug is experimental, under studied (no long term phase IV data), does not lead to herd immunity, has a novel mechanism, has a known serious side effect in 1 in 5k or so young men, and the risk of COVID is low in children, and there is a very real danger we are causing large scale subclinical heart damage to children by administering this drug so widely.

In other words, it should not be mandatory.

Public health policy is not entirely about risk vs reward - it's also a branch of medicine, and people who practice medicine have a code of ethics. Everyone acknowledges the risk vs reward choice is in favor of getting vaccinated for almost everyone. But it's a canard at this point, and is being used to gloss over an immense amount of truly horrible stuff that happened during the vaccination campaign of 2021.

> I'm not part of any "guys", I'm not part of a tribe that you are imagining.

Your comment history says otherwise.

> thinks the mandates violate all traditional bioethical norms

Mandatory vaccination has been the norm in many developed countries since at least the polio vaccine…

> there is a very real danger we are causing large scale subclinical heart damage to children by administering this drug so widely. In other words, it should not be mandatory.

But in what country is the vaccine mandatory for children again?

> and is being used to gloss over an immense amount of truly horrible stuff that happened during the vaccination campaign of 2021.

But you won't tell what this very «truly horrible stuff» is, will you? And what was the purpose of the conspiracy according to you? Big pharma making money? (why give vaccines then, when remdesivir is 3 orders of magnitude more expensive than the vaccine?) Or more fancy hypothesis like 5G tracking chips or masse sterilization of white population to replace them with immigrants?